[OpenWireless Tech] The police came to the AP owner first, then sniffed the air to find real culprit​

Natanael natanael.l at gmail.com
Tue Nov 27 02:17:11 PST 2012


CJDNS is not designed for these purposes. It is not like I2P or Tor, only
routing is "dynamic". You'd need a VPN in place already or some kind of
Dynamic DNS to create a link between the laptop/phone node and the home
router node. It also don't provide internet access sharing on it's own, in
this way ut resemble I2P.
Den 27 nov 2012 11:09 skrev "Christian Huldt" <christian at solvare.se>:

> Maybe we should take a look at cjdns?
> Someone here knows something about it?
> I'm not that well-informed, but it seems it should be able to deal with a
> few of those issues...
>
> And I quite recently stumbled upon the term "WPA guest access", I think in
> was in relation to coovaChilli...
>
>
> http://cjdns.info/
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Cjdns <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cjdns>
> http://www.reddit.com/r/**darknetplan/<http://www.reddit.com/r/darknetplan/>
>
> Andy Green skrev 2012-11-27 08:24:
>
>> Hi -
>>
>> Sure, if you're able to flat out run open APs more power to your elbow.
>>
>> Most people sitting on a personal internet connection aren't in that
>> situation and need something else to happen if they will participate. In
>> terms of reach, it's those guys that are all around us and could make a
>> huge difference.
>>
>> Calling normal people making rational decisions faced with legal facts
>> in their locality 'cowards' as some are doing is not the right
>> 'something else' to unstick them. If people have a more convincing idea
>> for those people than what's being discussed about vpn, I'm certainly
>> interested to hear it.
>>
>> -Andy
>>
>> Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org> wrote:
>>
>>     On Nov 26, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Andy Green (林安廸) <andy at warmcat.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>         But you're right, it adds a hurdle compared to just sitting
>>         there with an unencrypted AP. But for consumers, the truly open
>>         AP ship has sailed a while ago, they will no longer do it.
>>
>>
>>     I think that there may be some places left in this world where we
>> could have truly open APs, but they are certainly few and far between.
>>  Nevertheless, I'm not willing to give up on that possibility.
>>
>>     OTOH, I do think that the majority of people will either refuse to
>> run an OpenWireless site at all, or they will insist that it allow only
>> VPN-secured connections.  These people might be in countries like Germany
>> where there is clearly a very real legal threat, or
>>       in
>>     places where the threat is less well-defined.  But the fear of what
>> might happen would still keep the bulk of the potential participants away.
>>
>>     I see no reason why we should treat these two solutions as mutually
>> exclusive.
>>
>>
>>     HTTP is not XOR with HTTPS.  Some sites will support one or the other
>> but not both, but most sites either allow both or already use some mixture
>> of both.
>>
>>     Yes, this can complicate things in the context of serving web sites,
>> but I don't think that necessarily has to be a problem for us.  There are
>> additional design considerations that need to be taken into account, but I
>> think we can handle that.
>>
>>
>>     I should be able to provide a free entry point
>> forvpn-required.openwireless.**org<http://forvpn-required.openwireless.org> <
>> http://vpn-required.**openwireless.org<http://vpn-required.openwireless.org>>
>>  and anyone who wants to connect to that network using a VPN-enabled client
>> should be able to do so.  But if you don't have a VPN-enabled client, you
>> would not be able to use my netwo
>>       rk
>>     connection.
>>
>>     If my neighbor wants to provide a free entry point
>> forunencrypted.openwireless.**org<http://forunencrypted.openwireless.org> <
>> http://unencrypted.**openwireless.org<http://unencrypted.openwireless.org>>
>>  and take some extra risk (perhaps minimal, or maybe real), then they
>> should be able to do that, too.
>>
>>     --
>>     Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
>>     LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>;
>>
>>
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