[OpenWireless Tech] The police came to the AP owner first, then sniffed the air to find real culprit​

[Christian Huldt]

Maybe we should take a look at cjdns?
Someone here knows something about it?
I'm not that well-informed, but it seems it should be able to deal with 
a few of those issues...

And I quite recently stumbled upon the term "WPA guest access", I think 
in was in relation to coovaChilli...


http://cjdns.info/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cjdns
http://www.reddit.com/r/darknetplan/

Andy Green skrev 2012-11-27 08:24:
> Hi -
>
> Sure, if you're able to flat out run open APs more power to your elbow.
>
> Most people sitting on a personal internet connection aren't in that
> situation and need something else to happen if they will participate. In
> terms of reach, it's those guys that are all around us and could make a
> huge difference.
>
> Calling normal people making rational decisions faced with legal facts
> in their locality 'cowards' as some are doing is not the right
> 'something else' to unstick them. If people have a more convincing idea
> for those people than what's being discussed about vpn, I'm certainly
> interested to hear it.
>
> -Andy
>
> Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org> wrote:
>
>     On Nov 26, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Andy Green (林安廸) <andy at warmcat.com> wrote:
>
>         But you're right, it adds a hurdle compared to just sitting
>         there with an unencrypted AP. But for consumers, the truly open
>         AP ship has sailed a while ago, they will no longer do it.
>
>
>     I think that there may be some places left in this world where we could have truly open APs, but they are certainly few and far between.  Nevertheless, I'm not willing to give up on that possibility.
>
>     OTOH, I do think that the majority of people will either refuse to run an OpenWireless site at all, or they will insist that it allow only VPN-secured connections.  These people might be in countries like Germany where there is clearly a very real legal threat, or
>       in
>     places where the threat is less well-defined.  But the fear of what might happen would still keep the bulk of the potential participants away.
>
>     I see no reason why we should treat these two solutions as mutually exclusive.
>
>
>     HTTP is not XOR with HTTPS.  Some sites will support one or the other but not both, but most sites either allow both or already use some mixture of both.
>
>     Yes, this can complicate things in the context of serving web sites, but I don't think that necessarily has to be a problem for us.  There are additional design considerations that need to be taken into account, but I think we can handle that.
>
>
>     I should be able to provide a free entry point forvpn-required.openwireless.org  <http://vpn-required.openwireless.org>  and anyone who wants to connect to that network using a VPN-enabled client should be able to do so.  But if you don't have a VPN-enabled client, you would not be able to use my netwo
>       rk
>     connection.
>
>     If my neighbor wants to provide a free entry point forunencrypted.openwireless.org  <http://unencrypted.openwireless.org>  and take some extra risk (perhaps minimal, or maybe real), then they should be able to do that, too.
>
>     --
>     Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
>     LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>;
>
>
>
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