[OpenWireless Tech] Hello World

[Todd Freeman]

Here is an example of how it is not sustainable:
You goto coffeshop for lunch, which is a part of the network, the
network is well known, 20 other people are in the coffeshop and want to
use it too. 2 of them are playing youtube on their phone. And wondering
why its buffering every 5sec.

a block switches to netb (this is what I am calling this hypothetical
network) who pays for the uplink for the block ? How are they supposed
to convince a carrier to offer anything faster then residential to their
area ?
If they are just each supposed to have their own, then how is this
supposed to take hold in any area that is poor ? or lacks large
infrastructure ?
It's cool, the poors don't need internet anyway. And we can just NAT
everyone who wants to connect to the internet, this system must be
useless for anything other then browsing websites.

Let us please take into account there is no more ipv4 available, NAT is
retarded, and if you want your network to connect to the greater
internet and not just each other, you are going to need more then just
NAT. You need real routing and your own IP space. I will not be building
a network designed purely for consumption.

also, what internet crash are you talking about ? The only time the
internet has ever "crashed" is when level3 and cogent stopped peering
for a couple days like 5 years ago, and when someone forgot to teach
iran how routing ASes works.



On 11/02/2012 05:19 AM, michi1 at michaelblizek.twilightparadox.com wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On 05:02 Fri 02 Nov     , Todd Freeman wrote:
>> ...
>> Minimal costs need to be incurred by the router owners if we want the
>> system to be even reasonably large.
>> But in this model 100% of the costs and also shaky legal liability (if
>> they are not using vpn) are on the router owners.
>>
>> VPNs do remove liability from router owners, but tunnelling from one
>> persons home connection to your home connection to the internet, triples
>> the traffic required to do anything on the internet, this is not
>> sustainable on an even moderate scale.
> Why is this not sustainable? Do you think that users of hotspots will ever
> cause a significant amount of traffic? Also until now all prophecies "the
> internet will crash" have been wrong. Why should it be different now?
>
> 	-Michi