[OpenWireless Tech] A small question about tracking

[Todd]

Why should anyone feel responsible for giving anyone else internet, when
they are paying for out of their own pocket for it?
What do they get in return ?

> On 11/06/12 19:29, the mail apparently from Todd included:
>> On 11/06/2012 05:20 AM, "Andy Green (林安廸)" wrote:
>>> On 11/06/12 18:53, the mail apparently from Christian Huldt included:
>>>>
>>>> 2012-11-06 kl. 11:10 skrev Todd:
>>>>
>>>>> One thing note here is, most of the responses have been solely about
>>>>> "protecting the router owner" via throwing on varying levels of
>>>>> VPN. As
>>>>> far as I can tell,  the average member of this list is more worried
>>>>> about their continued ability to pirate then providing ubiquitous
>>>>> wifi
>>>>> which is very disheartening.
>>>>
>>>> I beg to disagree, IMHO this is about being able to convince your
>>>> neighbor that
>>>> he/she can also share wifi without any immediate risks - which there
>>>> are, at least in Germany.
>>>
>>> Exactly, same in UK.
>>>
>>> Since the VPN story includes trying to get the client's home AP as the
>>> server, going out on the internet with the IP in the client's name,
>>> this has nothing whatsoever to do with 'piracy'.
>>>
>>> You can see for yourself that the very few open personal APs left seem
>>> to mainly be so by accident (SSID of "Netgear", etc), at least where I
>>> live and travel your average router owner "knows" that unencrypted is
>>> dangerous even if he couldn't explain it in terms of his traffic being
>>> sniffable, he could tell you it's dangerous due to possibility of
>>> other people exploiting it to his detriment.
>>>
>>> To get people to make the other decision, to offer anonymous access on
>>> their IP again, there has to be a story that definitively counters
>>> this perception, a reason why something changed and it is now safe to
>>> do so, and we might see (VPN-only) open APs become normal again.
>>>
>>> The only story I know that would convince me is VPN-only, since it
>>> directly counters the "but the bad guy might use my IP" concern.
>>>
>>> -Andy
>>>
>>
>>
>> The "bad guy might use my IP" argument is completely irrelevant if the
>> IPs are not being assigned by the large ISP (IE.. comcast, att, verizon,
>> etc..)
>
> I am not sure what scenario you are imagining, but the guys on the
> ground with compatible APs all around are exactly customers of these
> kind of ISPs.  If you look at your scan list you will likely see loads
> of WPA-protected private APs right now.
>
> If most of those normal people opened their APs for VPN-only, because
> it was built-in to their APs, you could pretty much bank on getting
> service whereever there was habitation, without any special
> provisioning activity.
>
> They already power their AP, have a live internet connection, are
> close by, etc...
>
> -Andy
>