[OpenWireless Tech] A small question about tracking

[Todd]

Read the previous posts regarding wpa2-ent and radius authentication.

Or are you implying that all wireless ISPs that give out IPs currently
are doing so only with VPNs ?

On 11/06/2012 05:33 AM, Natanael wrote:
>
> How does that happen without VPN?
>
> Den 6 nov 2012 12:30 skrev "Todd" <Todd at chiwifi.net
> <mailto:Todd at chiwifi.net>>:
>
>     On 11/06/2012 05:20 AM, "Andy Green (林安廸)" wrote:
>     > On 11/06/12 18:53, the mail apparently from Christian Huldt
>     included:
>     >>
>     >> 2012-11-06 kl. 11:10 skrev Todd:
>     >>
>     >>> One thing note here is, most of the responses have been solely
>     about
>     >>> "protecting the router owner" via throwing on varying levels
>     of VPN. As
>     >>> far as I can tell,  the average member of this list is more
>     worried
>     >>> about their continued ability to pirate then providing
>     ubiquitous wifi
>     >>> which is very disheartening.
>     >>
>     >> I beg to disagree, IMHO this is about being able to convince your
>     >> neighbor that
>     >> he/she can also share wifi without any immediate risks - which
>     there
>     >> are, at least in Germany.
>     >
>     > Exactly, same in UK.
>     >
>     > Since the VPN story includes trying to get the client's home AP
>     as the
>     > server, going out on the internet with the IP in the client's name,
>     > this has nothing whatsoever to do with 'piracy'.
>     >
>     > You can see for yourself that the very few open personal APs
>     left seem
>     > to mainly be so by accident (SSID of "Netgear", etc), at least
>     where I
>     > live and travel your average router owner "knows" that
>     unencrypted is
>     > dangerous even if he couldn't explain it in terms of his traffic
>     being
>     > sniffable, he could tell you it's dangerous due to possibility of
>     > other people exploiting it to his detriment.
>     >
>     > To get people to make the other decision, to offer anonymous
>     access on
>     > their IP again, there has to be a story that definitively counters
>     > this perception, a reason why something changed and it is now
>     safe to
>     > do so, and we might see (VPN-only) open APs become normal again.
>     >
>     > The only story I know that would convince me is VPN-only, since it
>     > directly counters the "but the bad guy might use my IP" concern.
>     >
>     > -Andy
>     >
>
>
>     The "bad guy might use my IP" argument is completely irrelevant if the
>     IPs are not being assigned by the large ISP (IE.. comcast, att,
>     verizon,
>     etc..)
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