[OpenWireless Tech] A small question about tracking

[Natanael]

Well, the router owner would not be the one who sets up the VPN:s, so no
trouble coming from the VPN. But yes, their ISP:s terms could be an issue.
Unfortunately there is many ISP:s that don't allow sharing. So I think that
a list should be compiled on which one allows it and which ones don't. And
include a contact list for those ISP:s.

(I'd be willing to take the discussion elsewhere, but the point of this
list is to have public discussions about this. Is there a wiki we could use
to describe our proposed solutions on so that we can move some of it off
the list? If not, EFF should set up a wiki ASAP. I don't want to spam you
guys, but anybody should be able to join the discussion.)



On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:56 PM, John Gilmore <gnu at toad.com> wrote:

> > Freedom from liability for router owners
>
> I don't understand how using a VPN would eliminate liability for
> router owners.
>
> First, if your ISP's contract prohibits you from sharing your
> connection, it makes no legal difference whether you share it and then
> stuff the bits into a VPN, or you just share it.  You are violating
> your contract, period.  They can easily catch you at it and cancel you
> if they choose to.  Is the theory here that it's "legal as long as you
> don't get caught", to quote Bob Dylan?  How is that going to reassure
> any Nervous Nellie access point owners?
>
> Second, if the router owner sends some fraction of their traffic to pop
> out at some other IP address X (at the other end of the VPN), won't
> any problem with that traffic, such as a copyright complaint or a
> libel suit, just lead to address X, which is being rented to Nervous
> Nellie by the VPN operator?  Nervous Nellie will still be in trouble,
> just not at her home IP address.
>
> (It's not clear to me whether you're proposing to send access point
> owners' own laptop/phone traffic to a VPN, or send visiting traffic to
> a VPN, or what.  Or do you want all the visitors to each have
> prearranged their own VPN somewhere?  The level of handwaving here
> makes it hard to even understand what others are proposing.)
>
>         John Gilmore
>
> PS: I would appreciate if Todd and Natanael could have a private
> discussion somewhere else, and then jointly report back, briefly, with
> whatever resolution or irresolution they have come to.  If this list
> is going to consist mostly of twenty messages a day between two people
> who loudly and publicly can't agree, I'll be glad to unsubscribe.
>
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