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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-ZA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I thought they were open for endorsement by intermediaries? Have been endorsed by South Africa’s Internet Service Providers’ Association and we are working on getter broader industry buy-in. Agree with the concerns expressed below.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Dominic<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>ISPA regulatory advisor<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a href="http://www.ellipsis.co.za">www.ellipsis.co.za</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> ManilaPrinciples [mailto:manilaprinciples-bounces+dominic=ispa.org.za@eff.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>gabrielle@article19.org<br><b>Sent:</b> 19 October 2015 05:38 PM<br><b>To:</b> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Malgun Gothic",sans-serif'>박경신</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <kyungsinpark@korea.ac.kr><br><b>Cc:</b> manilaprinciples@eff.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Manila Principles] EuroParl draft report on prevention of radicalisation and recruitment of European citizens by terrorist organisations<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hi all<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Thanks Jeremy for the update. Same here. I also tend to agree with the proposal to open up the principles to endorsement by intermediaries. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>G<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=zwchr></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>"</span><span style='font-family:"Malgun Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>박경신</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>" <<a href="mailto:kyungsinpark@korea.ac.kr">kyungsinpark@korea.ac.kr</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Rebecca MacKinnon" <<a href="mailto:rebecca.mackinnon@gmail.com">rebecca.mackinnon@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:manilaprinciples@eff.org">manilaprinciples@eff.org</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, 18 October, 2015 10:37:22<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Manila Principles] EuroParl draft report on prevention of radicalisation and recruitment of European citizens by terrorist organisations<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>+1 on all below. <br><br></span><span style='font-family:"Malgun Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>나의</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> iPhone</span><span style='font-family:"Malgun Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>에서</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Malgun Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>보냄</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br>2015. 10. 18. </span><span style='font-family:"Malgun Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>오후</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> 6:31 Rebecca MacKinnon <<a href="mailto:rebecca.mackinnon@gmail.com" target="_blank">rebecca.mackinnon@gmail.com</a>> </span><span style='font-family:"Malgun Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>작성</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hi Jeremy, thanks for that update. There is clearly a lot of work for all of us to do…<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Bringing in industry at this point sounds like a great idea. If I can be of help with the GNI and Telco Industry Dialogue please let me know. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Also note that the Ranking Digital Rights <a href="https://rankingdigitalrights.org/2015/06/11/2015cai/" target="_blank">Corporate Accountability Index</a> is launching on November 3rd. We’re still finalizing the report but the current draft references the Manila Principles, and intermediary liability comes up as an issue in various places in relation to how legal environments affect particular companies’ policies/practices. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>More about the launch here (including IGF day 0 and main conference workshop):<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://rankingdigitalrights.org/2015/10/15/launching-november-3rd/" target="_blank">https://rankingdigitalrights.org/2015/10/15/launching-november-3rd/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Discussion of how intermediary liability questions and trends factor in to the standards we’re trying to set, and advocacy we’re seeking to build around them, would be extremely welcome and appropriate. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Rebecca<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On Oct 18, 2015, at 5:22 AM, Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>On 17/10/2015 11:50 pm, kyungsinpark wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Manila Principles should definitely take action on this. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Malgun Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>“</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Feels that the internet giants should be made aware of their responsibilities so that they delete illegal content as quickly as possible;</span><span style='font-family:"Malgun Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>”</span><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='color:black'> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Wingdings;color:black'>à</span><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>This will very easily translate into a general monitoring obligation.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br>I agree. I met with two policy officers from the European Commission last week to discuss the Manila Principles with them. Although internally the Commission supports retaining the fundamentals of the existing regime, there is considerable political pressure to act against intermediaries who are seen as profiting from content without sharing that revenue with content providers (which means: ancillary copyright) and against intermediaries who host illegal content "actively" rather than "passively" (which means: establishing a duty of care, and making Content ID and notice-and-staydown compulsory).<br><br>I also met separately with some industry representatives, who are of the view that we should open up the Manila Principles to endorsement by industry groups. The initiative actually came from their side, in view of the trajectory of the platform consultation and also new obligations on intermediaries at the national level in countries like Austria. I tend to support this idea, since we have already established a strong base of civil society support for the Principles, so that there is no longer any danger that this could be seen as an industry-pushed initiative. Bringing industry endorsers in now would only strengthen our case to push back against these adverse policies.<br><br>What do others think?<o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span style='color:black'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Jeremy Malcolm<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Senior Global Policy Analyst<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Electronic Frontier Foundation<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><a href="https://eff.org/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>https://eff.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>jmalcolm@eff.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Tel: 415.436.9333 ext 161<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>:: Defending Your Rights in the Digital World ::<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Public key: <a href="https://www.eff.org/files/2014/10/09/key_jmalcolm.txt" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>https://www.eff.org/files/2014/10/09/key_jmalcolm.txt</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>PGP fingerprint: FF13 C2E9 F9C3 DF54 7C4F EAC1 F675 AAE2 D2AB 2220<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>OTR fingerprint: 26EE FD85 3740 8228 9460 49A8 536F BCD2 536F A5BD<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Learn how to encrypt your email with the Email Self Defense guide:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><a href="https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>ManilaPrinciples mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ManilaPrinciples@eff.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>ManilaPrinciples@eff.org</span></a><br><a href="https://lists.eff.org/mailman/listinfo/manilaprinciples" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>https://lists.eff.org/mailman/listinfo/manilaprinciples</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>ManilaPrinciples mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ManilaPrinciples@eff.org" target="_blank">ManilaPrinciples@eff.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.eff.org/mailman/listinfo/manilaprinciples" target="_blank">https://lists.eff.org/mailman/listinfo/manilaprinciples</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>ManilaPrinciples mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ManilaPrinciples@eff.org">ManilaPrinciples@eff.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.eff.org/mailman/listinfo/manilaprinciples">https://lists.eff.org/mailman/listinfo/manilaprinciples</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>