<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>If you can come with specific text proposals (there are hard copies of the draft available this morning) I see no reason why all but the first of these couldn't be integrated in a way that satisfies everybody. For the first point though, this is one of the major philosophical differences that were flagged as such earlier on the list. Ultimately I feel that this will have to be a dividing line between those who endorse the principles and those who don't. There is not much room to compromise on such a core point, unless a proposal that I haven't thought of comes up. <br><br><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">-- </span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Jeremy Malcolm</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Senior Global Policy Analyst</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Electronic Frontier Foundation</span></div><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><a href="https://eff.org/">https://eff.org</a><br><a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="3">jmalcolm@eff.org</a></span></font><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tel: <a href="tel:415.436.9333" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result="4">415.436.9333</a> ext 161</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">:: Defending Your Rights in the Digital World ::</span></div></div><div><br>On Mar 21, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Raegan MacDonald <<a href="mailto:raegan@accessnow.org">raegan@accessnow.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.656;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" id="docs-internal-guid-6b110440-3bb5-b264-a5c8-2833d28bd110"><font><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Dear All,</span></font></p><font><br></font><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Ahead of tomorrow’s meeting on the Manila principles, Access would like to share some comments on the draft Principles and the background paper.</span></font></p><font><br></font><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">First of all, we would like to acknowledge the hard work that all the participants have put into the process of crafting these principles. Both the background documents and the proposed principles reflect input from many stakeholders.</span></font></p><font><br></font><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">We broadly support principles III to V. However, from our perspective, significant changes are required for the first principle, and principles II and VI need further refining. The definitions would also need to be clarified and strengthened. </span></font></p><font><br></font><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Specifically, on <b>principle </b></span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">I, we strongly oppose point I.e authorising intermediaries to restrict content that “contravenes their own terms of service”</span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">. This approach could lead to the removal, blocking, filtering or taking down of lawful content by intermediaries 1. through circumvention of the rule of law and 2. circumvention of their own rules. While reducing the liability of intermediaries across the board is a valiant goal, allowing them a carte blanche to do literally whatever they want will only have negative consequences for free speech online. Furthermore, as acknowledged in the background paper, allowing intermediaries such freedom exposes them to pressure from governments who are increasingly using them to bypass regional and international human rights law to censor content. This is frequently the case in the EU with parallel “self-regulatory” initiatives like </span><a href="http://www.cleanitproject.eu/" style="text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline">Clean IT</span></a><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"> and the </span><a href="http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/news/ceo-coalition-2014-progress-reports-actions-make-internet-better-place-kids" style="text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline">CEO coalition</span></a><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"> to make the internet a better place for kids. </span></font></p><font><br></font><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">On principle II, </span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">point I.c. raises serious concerns regarding the right to privacy and the rights to anonymous and pseudonymous expression</span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">. Any obligation for intermediaries to identify content providers put these rights at risk and would have a chilling effect on freedom of expression. These rights are also necessary to protect the digital and physical security of users at risk around the world. Intermediaries should not be liable for the identification of the content provider if the identification would lead to a restriction of the right to privacy or the establishment of policies that undermine the ability to use platforms anonymously or pseudonymously, such as real-name policies.</span></font></p><font><br></font><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">In </span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">section VI.a, we do not understand the use of the phrase “user and non-user citizens”</span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">. “User” is sufficiently inclusive. When crafting something of this nature which is intended to be cross-jurisdictional, we should refrain from using a term that ties individuals to a state.</span></font></p><font><br></font><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Finally, while we have no opposition per se on principle VI,</span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"> in order to comprehensively address this issue, we suggest adding an explicit section on the need to reform Terms of service agreements of intermediaries.</span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"> This would be consistent with the framing of the principles, which acknowledge that the private sector mediates our online communication. We would be remiss to then only ask the public sector to reform its practices. </span></font></p><font><br></font><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">All the best -- and looking forward to the event tomorrow!</span></font></p><font><br><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">-Raegan</span></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 March 2015 at 23:31, Jeremy Malcolm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">As we approach the Manila Principles meeting this weekend, please find<br>
attached version 0.98 of the principles, which attempts to integrate all<br>
of the latest suggestions.<br>
<br>
Changes from the previous version are relatively minor and are shown<br>
with revision marks. In a few instances where there was disagreement<br>
about proposed changes, the text has been left as-is from the previous<br>
draft. There are also two places where square brackets remain in the<br>
latest draft: I.b and III.f. In the current draft we are proposing the<br>
hybrid term "user content provider" to refer to a user whose speech is<br>
facilitated by an intermediary, but remain open to better suggestions.<br>
<br>
Also attached is the background paper that has now been updated to<br>
incorporate the comments that some of you made, and has also been<br>
brought into sync with the 0.98 version of the principles. The<br>
background paper will be published on the website as a PDF. It contains<br>
background information, references, definitions and fuller explanations<br>
of each principle. We hope that the definitions will also be included<br>
as tooltips that appear when you hover over defined terms on the website.<br>
<br>
As the background paper is over 50 pages long, it is not fair that we<br>
ask everyone to give their approval to this document. Therefore the<br>
preface of the background paper makes it clear that although it has been<br>
drafted in consultation with the larger group, the steering committee<br>
alone takes responsibility for it. The same will apply to the separate<br>
FAQ and jurisdictional analysis documents. Although these are intended<br>
to be consistent with the Principles, the only normative document that<br>
we will present for approval in Manila are the principles themselves.<br>
<br>
We are still accepting comments and suggestions on the 0.98 draft, but<br>
obviously at this late stage, it would be helpful if these were kept<br>
narrow and did not introduce any brand new ideas. I'm not re-posting<br>
the Google Docs links here, in order to encourage you to make your<br>
comments through this list, but the links previously shared do remain<br>
available for your use.<br>
<br>
For those who will be in Manila, you will each receive a copy of the<br>
0.99 draft for discussion, and the approved 1.0 version of the Manila<br>
Principles will then be released at a workshop at 3:30pm on Tuesday, 24<br>
March 2015 in the Ruby A room at RightsCon.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Jeremy Malcolm<br>
Senior Global Policy Analyst<br>
Electronic Frontier Foundation<br>
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