[HTTPS-Everywhere] Reconsider putting HTTPS Everywhere on addons.mozilla.org - Legal opinions and rant

[Colonel Graff]

It could have changed. I'm not a amo contributor and it has been quite a
while since I installed one with that experience, now that I think about it.
(I also use far fewer extensions now as well.)
On Aug 12, 2011 5:21 PM, "Maxim Nazarenko" <nz.phone at mail.ru> wrote:
> Then that might a be a reasonable solution -- no worries with update
> delay and easier publishing.
>
> On 12 August 2011 14:12, Colonel Graff <graffatcolmingov at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I feel fairly certain that I've seen addons ay amo that weren't hosted
there
>> but linked from there.
>>
>> On Aug 12, 2011 4:09 PM, "Maxim Nazarenko" <nz.phone at mail.ru> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Is it possible to publish the extension at addons.mozilla.org and make
>>> it autoupdate from eff.org?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim Nazarenko
>>>
>>> On 12 August 2011 11:37, Peter Eckersley <pde at eff.org> wrote:
>>>> (Removing the -rules list.  Let's not spam everyone).
>>>>
>>>> I'm on the fence at the moment about submitting HTTPS Everywhere 1.x to
>>>> addons.mozilla.org
>>>>
>>>> In favour:
>>>>
>>>>  - more people will install the extension
>>>>  - the privacy policy there has improved -- log retention there is down
>>>> from
>>>>   "indefinite" to six months
>>>>
>>>> Against:
>>>>
>>>>  - the privacy policy is still not as good as eff.org's
>>>>  - the lag time for pushing updates into AMO is ~2 weeks, which means
>>>> that we
>>>>   can't fix bugs quickly.  I also keep seeing AMO addons get disabled
>>>> because
>>>>   Mozilla won't let them declare compatibility with future firefox
>>>> versions
>>>>   early enough.
>>>>  - there will be a whole extra path to deal with for publishing and
>>>> managing updates
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:20:39PM -0700, Victor Garin wrote:
>>>>> **** Forgot to add Tor Talk Mailing list to cc. (they have some good
>>>>> people with legal smarts there who may not bother to check our mailing
>>>>> lists) --- Please use this thread (subject) for further replies and
>>>>> please cc to <tor-talk at lists.torproject.org>,
>>>>> <https-everywhere at eff.org>, <https-everywhere-rules at eff.org>,***
>>>>>
>>>>> "Q. Why isn't HTTPS Everywhere available for download from
>>>>> addons.mozilla.org like most other Firefox add-ons?
>>>>>
>>>>> A. We felt that the Mozilla privacy policy that applies to downloads
>>>>> from addons.mozilla.org is somewhat less protective than the privacy
>>>>> policies of the organizations that develop HTTPS Everywhere, and we
>>>>> prefer for HTTPS Everywhere users to be protected by our privacy
>>>>> policy. This decision could change in the future as Mozilla's privacy
>>>>> practices evolve or as we re-examine the details of the current
>>>>> Mozilla policy."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to ask the devs to reconsider putting HTTPS Everywhere on
>>>>> addons.mozilla.org.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few reasons:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Trust: Many people trust that add-ons posted on addons.mozilla.org
>>>>> has been reviewed by the Mozilla team. I mean people download many
>>>>> add-ons from there, including many unknown ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. More Users == Less False positives as there is a higher chance of a
>>>>> False positive being reported because more sites will be tested. Also
>>>>> most people comment on the Add-on page itself, rather than going
>>>>> through the hoops of Mailing List or IRC.
>>>>>
>>>>> ==========================
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure exactly how Mozilla privacy policy affects HTTPS
>>>>> Everywhere. The Add-on code will be the same no? Or is it that the
>>>>> developers and or ruleset contributors could be held liable for
>>>>> submitting rules? I was thinking laws regarding, unauthorized use of
>>>>> computer network or equipment? It is in the Criminal Code in Canada
>>>>> which means Extradition to the US, per the Mutual legal assistance
>>>>> treaty, which happens when both countries consider a crime to be a
>>>>> crime, even if the minimum sentence is less in one country. Oh and the
>>>>> Extradition process in Canada is just a Rubber Stamp process. I looked
>>>>> up the Court Records, 99.9% of the accused were extradited (or
>>>>> committed in legal speak). They don't evaluate the merit of the
>>>>> evidence, basically it is Guilty until proven Innocent by a court of a
>>>>> foreign jurisdiction, with a cruel and unusual punishment of being
>>>>> deported to another country for the trial. Well if that isn't enough,
>>>>> we have Internet Surveillance and warrantless wiretapping legislation
>>>>> coming soon as part of our Conservative Government's Crime and
>>>>> Punishment agenda. Hell, they did not even keep it a secret during the
>>>>> May election, and they won a majority in the Parliament, see:
>>>>>
>>>>>
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_2011#Internet_surveillance_and_warrant-less_wiretapping
>>>>>
>>>>> Damn! I should have used TOR when I submitted all those rulesets for
>>>>> the last few months....
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peter Eckersley                            pde at eff.org
>>>> Technology Projects Director      Tel  +1 415 436 9333 x131
>>>> Electronic Frontier Foundation    Fax  +1 415 436 9993
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