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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 09 August 2017 02:09 PM,
William Drake wrote:<br>
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Hi Parminder
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<div class="">Long time no talk, hope you’re well. <br>
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Hi Bill, thanks I am well. Hope you too are.<br>
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Thanks for your references they provide useful background. However,
my short answer to your response is; these agreements are decades
old, and data economy is what 4-5 years in the making yet. Terms
like information and data have taken very different meanings in what
was negotiated at that time, and what is being talked about right
now. Information in these earlier documents is largely private,
uncontested about its ownership, and a subsidiary resource to
whatever are the main businesses. Today, a big issue is data
collected from people, whose ownership and protections are
contested, and data (and the digital intelligence derived from it)
is the almost the most important resource around. So, it is
different now. Which is why there are currently big issues around
the "free flow of data" part in global trade forums. You mentioned
India's position, I think even they are ambivalent although their
"global back-office" IT business and the emerging strength in
"software as a service" sector requires that data flows are not
required. However, in all these cases the concerned data is clearly
of the concerned principal enterprise (which either outsources IT
based operations, or subscribed to SaaS services) which is a very
different category form transporting public data collected over
various platforms in the platform economy. <br>
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Ok, let me quote from yesterday's newspaper. Patil was the official
data scientist to the Obama's White House.<br>
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style="font-size: 13pt" size="4">Mr.
Patil responded by saying that there is a darker force,
as there are
companies which are calculating and sitting on data that
one never
gave them the right to capture. These include satellite
images,
copying records of the court cases and they are selling
it to a
creditor, or somebody else and one has no recourse and
ability to
know that the data was moved, he said. “This is where I
would love
to be a very strong policy. India has a great
opportunity to learn
from things that we didn't do correctly,” said Mr.
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In the same report, Nandan Nilekani, a founder of India's most
famous IT company Infosys said;<br>
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Nilekani agreed with the need for policy and gave the
example of
increasing amount of data and how it is being aggregated
in areas
like platforms which is actually a big risk. “You end up
with data
monopoly,” he said. “I am deeply concerned that data is
going to
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Does this look to you like talks about some straight forward free
flow of information? Not to me. It is much more complex, and
different from traditional notions of information flows.<br>
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regards<br>
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parminder<br>
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<div class="">I gather this group will not be able to say anything
on a consensus basis regarding CBDF, so ok. But I’d still like
to understand how you’re interpreting existing international
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<p class=""><font class="" face="Verdana">Thanks for
this Jeremy</font></p>
<p class=""><font class="" face="Verdana">Can we work on
the doc without the preamble part, with which my
organisation may have many issues?</font></p>
<p class=""><font class="" face="Verdana">There are two
main ones. One with the sentence "</font><b
style="font-weight:normal;"
id="docs-internal-guid-e5cea2fe-c51e-10b0-a6fe-0d62caba0d3d"
class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Source Code Pro';color:#424242;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;" class="">International trade agreements that support the free flow of information across the Internet...... </span></b><b
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id="docs-internal-guid-e5cea2fe-c520-d076-520e-3577d399b54c"
class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Source Code Pro';color:#424242;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;" class="">can assist member countries to harness the potential of the Internet to promote social and economic development for all."</span></b></p>
I am sure you know the problem that trade justice
activists have with this.... Trade agreements do not
deal with "free flow of information", if anything they
deal with "free flow of data”. </div>
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<div>The GATS Telecom Annex commits all signatories as
follows: "Each Member shall ensure that service suppliers of
any other Member may use public telecommunications transport
networks and services for the movement of information within
and across borders, including for
intra-corporate communications of such service suppliers,
and for access to information contained in data bases or
otherwise stored in machine-readable form in the territory
of any Member.” Moreover, most countries made fairly
unlimited commitments during the Uruguay Round on Computer
and Related Services (CPC 84) except on Mode 4. That
includes e.g. software, programming, data processing,
database etc. services. (FWIW, in the Doha Round India has
advocated full market access and national treatment
commitments in the sector, including of course Mode 4). UR
commitments were also pretty strong on the relevant Telecom
Services (CPC 75) including e.g. online information and data
base retrieval, on-line information and/or data processing
(incl. transaction processing), etc. TPP 11 is of course
more expansive and specific, including re: data. So what
kinds of “information” flow do you think is excluded from
trade agreements?</div>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="">The two are
not identical .... Free flow of information globally may
perhaps be a subject dealt in frameworks like New World
Information and Communication Order (NWICO, that piece
of history!), it could be about media, even about social
media and networks, but that is not at the core of
digital issues at trade talks. The latter deal not with
information flows but with data flows-- as an economic
resource, as one of the most important economic
resources. And speaking about, rather promoting, "free
global flow of data" in an unqualified manner is not
acceptable. It speaks to a certain political economy of
data and digital economy... you sure know this stuff. <br
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Second issue is with promotion of so called
"multi-stakeholder governance" for global trade
negotiations. We have really never been able to
understand what exactly this term means, and you know
this well too, have issues with how many people and
groups employ it in the IG space. We do not look
forward, for instance, to promote models in trade
negotiations where big business has a veto. </div>
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If you mean direct participation in decision making, I don’t
think you have anything to worry about there :-)</div>
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is "multistakeholder participation" and we are fine...<br
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As we look forward to the upcoming IGF in December, I
am following up (finally) about one of the outputs
that we agreed to work towards for presentation at the
inaugural meeting of the Dynamic Coalition on Trade
and the Internet. As explained in my original
message, a small working group has put together a
document, which is now ready for comments from this
broader group. You can find it below:<br class="">
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It remains just a draft, and I would like to invite
all of you to express any comments that you may have
on it, either by adding them in the text, or by
following up to this message. Ideally, this should be
a document that all participants in the Dynamic
Coalition can endorse—and I don't think anyone should
have trouble in doing so, since it restates principles
that I suspect we all share, and references many
familiar sources.<br class="">
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Please review the document this month so that, if
possible, we can iron out any wrinkles and have a
near-final document ready for presentation as an
output of our Dynamic Coalition at its inaugural
meeting in December.<br class="">
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Today my organization the EFF has launched an
advertising campaign around trade transparency
reforms, which I would like to propose as a starting
point for a document that this Dynamic Coalition
could produce as an output this year.<br class="">
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The advertisements can be seen in POLITICO's Morning
Trade newsletter at <a
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href="http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/morning-trade/2017/05/nafta-notification-whats-happening-and-when-220315"
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(you might need to disable your ad blocker to see
the banners, but there are also text messages in the
middle and at the end of the newsletter). The ads
link to this page on EFF's website which summarizes
five recommendations, and the rationales for these:
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The campaign is targetted at U.S. trade policymakers
and is hence very U.S.-centric (even to the point of
sounding a little jingoistic), and a couple of the
recommendations are specific to the U.S. trade
advisory process. Nevertheless, I believe that the
core concepts should find broad agreement amongst
members of this Dynamic Coalition and that we ought
to be able to fashion a consensus document that at
least finds inspiration from the five
recommendations made here.<br class="">
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I won't repeat the complete rationales for the
recommendations here because you can read them for
yourselves at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.eff.org/trade"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.eff.org/trade</a>,
but the headlines are:<br class="">
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<li class="">Publish U.S. textual proposals on
rules in ongoing international trade
negotiations</li>
<li class="">Publish consolidated texts after each
round of ongoing negotiations</li>
<li class="">Appoint a "transparency officer" who
does not have structural conflicts of interest
in promoting transparency at the agency</li>
<li class="">Open up textual proposals to a notice
and comment and public hearing process</li>
<li class="">Make Trade Advisory Committees more
broadly inclusive<br class="">
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</ol>
One of the items in this Dynamic Coalition's 2017
action plan is "To develop a multi-stakeholder
approach to facilitating the transparency and
inclusiveness in international trade negotiations
and the domestic consultation processes". Although
that's open-ended, it could include the development
of a consensus document containing a set of
principles that generalises from the above five
recommendations, and that's what I'm proposing. At
this point, I am asking for your feedback on the
idea.<br class="">
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If there is broad agreement on the idea, the next
step would be to form a drafting subcommittee that
would propose a strawman text for further discussion
by the full Dynamic Coalition. If you support the
idea of us developing such a document, are you also
interested in being part of the drafting
subcommittee?<br class="">
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Thanks and I look forward to hearing your thoughts
on the above.<br class="">
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