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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Century Schoolbook">Bill: Thank you.
          That advice makes a lot of sense to me.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Century Schoolbook">All the best,</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Century Schoolbook">Susan  </font></font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/30/2017 2:35 AM, William Drake
      wrote:<br>
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      <div class="">Thanks Jeremy.  Just a few thoughts further to the
        below:</div>
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      <div class="">*All discussions and decisions should be done
        on-list in a transparent and inclusive manner, that’s the strong
        expectation/requirement for how Dynamic Coalitions are to work.
         We have 30+ people on the list and so far messages from about 3
        people.</div>
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      <div class="">*The people listed as Volunteered and the one
        somehow already listed as Invited are largely civil society.
         The MAG takes very seriously geo/gender/stakeholdergroup/and
        intellectual-political diversity, so we have to populate the
        thing accordingly.  And obviously, speaker choices should be
        matched to the agenda and the skill sets needs.</div>
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      <div class="">*On substance, I guess my concerns with the original
        text is that is blurs the lines between a) what has been floated
        (generally without broad support yet) in the WTO’s e-commerce
        work program, b) what is likely to be formally proposed and
        agreed for the WTO Ministerial meeting, and c) what has been
        proposed by certain parties in some of the mega-regionals.  Not
        only might this look odd to the trade community, but it would be
        awkward if we’re meeting a week after the Ministerial and
        talking about a bunch of stuff that didn’t happen there rather
        than what did.  So my thought was that we either should focus on
        the Ministerial, decoding its inclusions and exclusions for a
        IG-oriented audience that probably is not all following WTO
        happenings (and there will in fact be enough to talk about), or
        we should address the mega-regionals where (due to negotiating
        group composition etc) some of the specific items we flagged
        could get more play.  The problems with the latter are that a)
        the pace and prospects of the mega-regionals are highly variable
        and the situation may not be clear in December, and b) there
        were several workshops last year on the megas, so focusing on
        them again is sort of like saying we just want to redo and
        update.  So my personal preference would be to focus on the
        Ministerial outcomes and their implications for work in the WTO
        over the next couple years.  This would make us more relevant to
        the WTO process which is the most institutionalized, and also
        would draw us further toward the whole roiling debate about
        developing country interests regarding digital trade, which
        might offer the possibility of some alliance building.  If we
        went this route, we could also loop in the work going on in
        UNCTAD, which has a range of Internet-related trade initiatives
        underway and would seem a good partner for this.</div>
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      <div class="">But that’s just one view, and if the group prefers a
        more diffuse approach that is less tightly coupled to current
        negotiations, ok.</div>
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      <div class="">In any event we need to hear from more people on
        list and move toward a consensus quickly as the submission
        deadline is Wednesday.  Bear in mind too the new MAG’s form has
        gotten more complicated, so we have to have detailed answer to
        multiple questions (remote participation is key) and establish
        digital profiles with bios for each speaker etc.  So there’s a
        couple hours of busy work to be done by the submitters after we
        settle on the plan.</div>
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      <div class="">Best</div>
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      <div class="">Bill</div>
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            <div class="">On Apr 28, 2017, at 20:55, Jeremy Malcolm <<a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org"
                class="">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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              <div class=""> Hello all,<br class="">
                <br class="">
                I am pasting below the latest version of the IGF
                workshop proposal that several of you have expressed
                interest in supporting.  Because we only have a few more
                days to finalize the proposal, your comments and
                suggestions are now urgently needed.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                All of the panelists now listed as volunteering have
                been confirmed—but probably we shouldn't include all of
                them on the panel, which is rather CS-heavy.  Any
                suggestions about how we could have a more balanced
                panel—including other people (not civil society) to
                propose, and perhaps some panelists with different
                views?<br class="">
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                Bill Drake has suggested we should tweak the proposal to
                do EITHER one of two things: 1. De-emphasize the
                prospect of the Internet governance issues that we
                mention being taken up at the WTO, which he judges as
                unlikely, and instead to emphasize the fact that these
                issues are on the agenda for mega-regional agreements
                and new bilaterals.  2. OR else refocus the session on
                what is actually more likely to come out of the WTO
                Ministerial in Buenos Aires, namely just extending the
                customs duties moratorium, trade facilitation,
                e-commerce for development, and a loose commitment to
                talk about future issues.<br class="">
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                Does anyone else have views on Bill's suggestion?  If
                anyone thinks changes to the proposal are needed, please
                propose specific wording.<br class="">
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                With whatever feedback we have by then, I'll be
                finalizing and submitting this proposal by Wednesday. 
                So I'll be depending on you between now and then to
                ensure that it's in the best shape it can be.<br
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                Here's the current text, also found at <a
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href="https://opendigital.trade/projects/dc-trade/wiki/IGF_Workshop_2017">https://opendigital.trade/projects/dc-trade/wiki/IGF_Workshop_2017</a>:<br
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                <br class="">
                --- begins ---<br class="">
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                <h2 class="">Title: Engaging with the E-commerce Trade
                  Agenda</h2>
                <p class="">The World Trade Organisation
                  (WTO) Ministerial Conference takes place from 11 to 14
                  December 2017, just one week prior to the IGF. Key
                  member states are advocating that the Ministerial
                  Conference should approve additional substantive work
                  on e-commerce, perhaps even new norm-setting
                  measures. The IGF will be the first opportunity that
                  stakeholders have to prepare a plan of action in
                  response to whatever decision is taken, and to connect
                  the dots between the WTO work programme and other
                  relevant sources of expertise from the broader
                  Internet governance community.</p>
                <p class="">Possible topics already proposed by certain
                  delegations for the WTO's work program include
                  encryption, data localisation, source code disclosure
                  mandates, and intermediary liability rules. All of
                  these areas have substantial intersections with
                  Internet governance policies on cybersecurity, privacy
                  and data protection, and freedom of expression. Yet
                  the WTO, being relatively new to these topics, lacks
                  deep expertise in many of them, and does not possess
                  strong connections with all of the stakeholders with
                  non-trade perspectives to offer on the impacts of
                  rulemaking in this areas.</p>
                <p class="">This workshop will facilitate the exchange
                  of information among interested stakeholders and from
                  external communities that also have an interest or
                  expertise to offer in the development of
                  Internet-related global trade rules. Even in the event
                  that the WTO does not decide to expand its existing
                  work programme on e-commerce, this workshop will still
                  be relevant as many of the same issues are also being
                  dealt with in other trade negotiations and fora,
                  including the Trade in Services Agreement (TISA), the
                  North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), and the
                  Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP).</p>
                <p class="">To facilitate a discussion about
                  Internet-related global trade rules in general, we
                  will use the following policy issues to engender
                  debate:</p>
                <ul class="">
                  <li class="">Encryption</li>
                  <li class="">Data localization</li>
                  <li class="">Intermediary liability</li>
                  <li class="">Big data (social, economic, and political
                    dimensions)</li>
                </ul>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true" name="Co-sponsors" class=""></a><span
                  class=""></span>
                <h2 class="">Co-sponsors</h2>
                <ul class="">
                  <li class="">Electronic Frontier Foundation (USA,
                    civil society)</li>
                  <li class="">IT for Change (India, civil society)</li>
                  <li class="">Internet Infrastructure Coalition (USA,
                    private sector)</li>
                  <li class="">Diplo Foundation (Malta, academic
                    community)</li>
                  <li class="">Public Citizen (USA, civil society)</li>
                </ul>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true" name="Personnel" class=""></a><span
                  class=""></span>
                <h2 class="">Personnel</h2>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true" name="Volunteered" class=""></a><span
                  class=""></span>
                <h3 class="">Volunteered</h3>
                <ul class="">
                  <li class="">William Drake (University of Zurich,
                    USA/Switzerland, academic community)</li>
                  <li class="">Susan Aaronson (George Washington
                    University, USA, academic community)</li>
                  <li class="">David Snead (Internet Infrastructure
                    Coalition, USA, business)</li>
                  <li class="">Marília Maciel (Diplo Foundation, Brazil,
                    academic community)</li>
                  <li class="">Gus Rossi (Public Knowledge, USA, civil
                    society)</li>
                  <li class="">Maryant Fernandez (EDRi, Spain/Belgium,
                    civil society)</li>
                  <li class="">Burcu Kilic (Public Citizen, USA, civil
                    society)</li>
                  <li class="">Estelle Massé (Access Now, Belgium, civil
                    society)</li>
                  <li class="">Jean-Baptiste Velut (Université Sorbonne
                    Nouvelle Paris 3, France, academic community)</li>
                  <li class="">Aileen Kwa (South Centre, inter gov
                    organisation)</li>
                </ul>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true" name="Invited" class=""></a><span
                  class=""></span>
                <h3 class="">Invited</h3>
                <ul class="">
                  <li class="">Sanya Reid Smith (Third World Network,
                    civil society)</li>
                </ul>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  class=""></span>
                <h3 class="">Remote moderator or rapporteur</h3>
                <ul class="">
                  <li class="">Renata Ribeiro (Brazil, civil society)</li>
                </ul>
                <br class="">
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